And platinum is also a incredibly valueble metal....

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Well I'm looking for strong armour for my units. I have 5 allances and I have it based like Miles.(ex.SDF is stronger than Globex and Globex is stronger than FTA. All in armour) Now do that five times with real armour like metal or steel.

I once had diamond and took away iron and gold for metal but being that I'm trying to make it as real as possible, those things would cost too much. I will PM chosen people my game unit info so you can see what I mean.(This is after I type it in excel first and it won't be finished yet)

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dude theres an aloi that can combine with anymetal and make it better.its graphite.graphite fused with alluminum will give the outcome a superlight and great hardness.i found out that Japan is planing to use this compound and make a city pyramid.
the pyramid is a superstructure that will house a massive city on a giant pyramid.

back on topic*(for me)

now think what you can do when you fuse graphite with steel,titatinium.

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Um sounds good. Thanks

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Carbon Fibre also works.

Just remember, it doesn't have to be Diamond. Graphite isn't technically an alloy, but it can alloy with metals. Platinum isn't really too "strong", it's just very inert.

Also remember that QL is set quite a way in the future - it's relatively easy to make diamonds at high temperature and pressure, so it wouldn't really be too hard would it?

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The year of my game is pasted QL year time. I know you couldn't tell by the armour I was talking about using like iron and metal. Something that now days armies don't really use no more. Thats why I need stronger materials. Then I go to the next step. Jet engines and faster.

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it's relatively easy to make diamonds at high temperature and pressure, so it wouldn't really be too hard would it? originaly posted by Jabor

Jabor:you dont have a suit that can stand the heat of lava considering the coal needs that much tempurature to turn diamond and also you dont have enough pressure on the coal to turn it diamond.
i mean you would need the ocean dept pressure to stabalize it.

umm ya it would be really hard(try impossible)to make diamonds.

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Originally posted by WAGEWARZ umm ya it would be really hard(try impossible)to make diamonds.

Artificial diamonds have been made, with relative ease - certainly a lot easier than achieving controlled fusion anyway.

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Jabor:is the artificail diamond 100% pure by that i mean its not combined with anytother substance to make it?

D4U2:uhh i taught this was reality i think i lost you in the QL world.lol.jk dude .but seriously be realistic.

graphite would be good for making units that are fast.
it could be fast as a bladescout but stronger and more armored like the adovacate.

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Originally posted by WAGEWARZ Jabor:is the artificail diamond 100% pure by that i mean its not combined with anytother substance to make it?

Yes. It has been made by cooking Graphite in a high-pressure high-temperature furnace. It has also been made from several other substances, including peanut butter....

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And while we're on the topic of molecules consisting purely of carbon, the third form known to exist, the fullerene (aka "buckyballs" for the spherical forms) has potential in being used in armor, due to the fact that they are as hard or even harder than diamond.

In addition, fullerenes are being studied for heat resistance and superconductivity.

This means we can have tougher armor and more efficient engines.

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Or smaller ones - a company has made a nanomotor out of nanotubes and gold, unfortunately it is impossible to tell how fast it goes, as it must be viewed through an electron microscope and no electron microscope has a high enough refresh rate.....

The motor consists of one nanotube "axle", surrounded by a section of nanotube acting as a bearing, and a few nanometres of gold plate in an oscillating magnetic field.

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WAGEWARZ I am trying to be as realistic as possible. Maybe this would help, my mod and "admin" units have a little more armour than the SDF Destroyer. A ship made of diamonds doesn't look realistic but would make heavy armour.

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It could just simply be ship hull plates that are laced with diamond or equally tough materials. Pure substances aren't always the best to use.

Take gold for example: in pure form, its actually quite malleable, enough that you can bend it with your hands if it is thin enough. In an alloyed form, it loses its malleability, therefore making it more useful in electronics.

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Actually, if we're talking about quantum materials ...

Superfluidity (ex: in liquid helium-4 near absolute zero)
"If a system is at such a low temperature that it is in the lowest energy state, it is no longer possible for it to reduce its energy, not even by friction. Without friction, the fluid will easily overcome gravity because of adhesion between the fluid and the container wall, and it will take up the most favorable position, all around the container."

Therma Hall Effect (thermal superconductivity)
The temperature of the thermally superconducting system increases instantaneously across the system, after a delay (which slows this effect to less than lightspeed)

We can imagine a sci-fi superconductor that could take kinetic force and distribute it across the entire kinetically superconducting system (after a delay) ... there was even a science fiction book about that, which I don't remember right now ...

Anyway, a kinetic superconductor sounds like an EXCELLENT armor, but remember it's brittle to the extent that if there's enough force even on just one point, then ALL of the armor fails or maybe you just lose superconductivity as the armor heats up from a simple RPG.


Diamond is visually so cool, but diamonds (like all crystals) are made up of regular patterns of atoms, so if you angle your strike just right (with reference to the material's cleavage), then you can hit at an angle where the crystal structure is weak, especially with diamond's cleavage:
"Toughness relates to the ability to resist breakage from falls or impacts: due to diamond's perfect and easy cleavage, it is vulnerable to breakage. A diamond will shatter if hit with an ordinary hammer."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_properties_of_diamond

Besides, if something is too brittle then it shatters rather than deforms. Ceramic armor for armies is tougher than steel, and it resists bullets better, but if you hit the ceramic with a sword it shatters and then your second strike can kill, whereas metal might just have deformed.

Impulse = Force/Time

Impulse is like stress on the object.

So if you increase the time the force acts (for example with deformation) that decreases the impulse, so deformation and metal is actually a good thing to decrease stress on the armor.

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This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by Hari Seldon on 02-07-2007 at 14:35.

Cardb0ard have a great point about the purity of gold.

Hari thats why I like you. Man you\'re smart, I never thought of that myself and I went over alot of info on diamonds, stones, and metals.

One thing though, you said

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Ceramic armor for armies is tougher than steel, and it resists bullets better, but if you hit the ceramic with a sword it shatters and then your second strike can kill, whereas metal might just have deformed.

how can a sword easily break it but a fast moving ,sometimes sharp, bullet would not break it.

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Originally posted by D4U2 quote: Ceramic armor for armies is tougher than steel, and it resists bullets better, but if you hit the ceramic with a sword it shatters and then your second strike can kill, whereas metal might just have deformed. how can a sword easily break it but a fast moving ,sometimes sharp, bullet would not break it.

A bullet, particularly armor-peircing, can punch a hole straight through a steel plate with ease. Against a ceramic armor, the ceramic will absorb the impact of the bullet, protecting the wearer. In most cases, the ceramic will still break, but it certainly is better than steel at protecting from bullets.

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Ohhh.So what would be a good armour plating to go against beams, lasers, revolving machinegun bullets, and gas or chemical blast.

1.Something absorbent I know now.
2.Something strong but light.
3.Something that look nice or can be painted easily.lol
4.......

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Originally posted by D4U2 Ohhh.So what would be a good armour plating to go against beams, lasers

A reflective substance will reflect beams/lasers without showing any damage, or at most, some minor heating.

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revolving machinegun bullets

Something that will deform and redirect the force of the shot - usually angled steel plates will cause the bullet to be deflected away and cause minimal damage.

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and gas or chemical blast

Anything airtight and inert will stop that.

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